tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2299444734264560627.post2189524992066745999..comments2024-03-27T01:49:15.685+01:00Comments on Old School Mtg: Banned and Restricted update 2014The Reyndeerhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04888182633758894620noreply@blogger.comBlogger17125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2299444734264560627.post-88663583889492060992015-08-05T12:34:09.328+02:002015-08-05T12:34:09.328+02:00Another example of an enchantment that would be to...Another example of an enchantment that would be to good without disenchant as a possible 4-off.<br /><br />Underworld Dreams. You can build a competitive budget mono-B deck in 93/94, much thanks to how insanely broken Underworld Dreams is in a format that span over many turns and where control decks focus on drawing way more cards then the opponent.Christoffer Andersson-Fahlströmhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06906394058270677715noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2299444734264560627.post-46922483736525935972015-08-05T12:31:23.486+02:002015-08-05T12:31:23.486+02:00Well, the format is less stagnant then I thought i...Well, the format is less stagnant then I thought it would be now when we've played it for about 8 years. The diversity of a closed down format like 93/94 rely shows what a good game Magic is.<br /><br />We've played with the same card pool for 8 years, a card pool comparable in size with Standard.<br /><br />Yes, Disenchant is a good card, but its only a good card since its an all around answer to cards that we would otherwise need to restrict for power level reasons (for example Mishra's Factory).<br /><br />Yes, StP would probably be banned/restricted in modern, but you should not compare out ban/restriction policy to modern. You should compare it to vintage.<br /><br />Mana Drain had a to big of an impact on the format and made the deck more or less the only viable option, there for we restricted it and opened up the format. But since there are several viable options in the format now, there rely is not need to ban/restrict anything. I much rather see us unrestrict cards instead, opening up the pool even more, to let people play with more awesome cards, not less.Christoffer Andersson-Fahlströmhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06906394058270677715noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2299444734264560627.post-62928731775363505512015-08-04T11:16:51.409+02:002015-08-04T11:16:51.409+02:00Well, when it comes to banning or restricting card...Well, when it comes to banning or restricting cards, which is done for powerlevel or meta warping reasons, you do in fact look at the top performing decks ;) They are good and they are cheap, so of course a lot of players gonna play them. It seems really weird to ban or restrict something just because a lot of people play it. E.g. Counterspell, Dark Ritual and Lightning Bolt are even more commonly played, and are staples in top tier decks, so with that logic those should go first.Mghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00555613518338194305noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2299444734264560627.post-42679499711693698382015-07-31T21:54:13.884+02:002015-07-31T21:54:13.884+02:00Well you can't just use the top decks for stat...Well you can't just use the top decks for stats like this. You gotta use the whole field. Last tournament I played in 1 week ago. More then half the field played em.Robinnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2299444734264560627.post-59307189616397830012015-07-29T22:46:39.902+02:002015-07-29T22:46:39.902+02:00Please keep the discussion in English. Also, if yo...Please keep the discussion in English. Also, if you use an anonymous account, sign your post with your name.<br /><br />Some recent data on disenchant and stp in high performing decks: In the last two tournaments in Sweden and Norway, one out of eight decks in the two top4s played swords, and two of them played disenchant. In the three shark-tournaments with over 40 players in the last year and a half, one of the winning decks played swords or disenchants, the other two did not. They are both very good cards, but not close to warrant restriction.Mghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00555613518338194305noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2299444734264560627.post-60670353355900892542015-07-29T01:00:20.172+02:002015-07-29T01:00:20.172+02:00Plogen är helt ärligt också ett kort som ligger på...Plogen är helt ärligt också ett kort som ligger på gränsen, den hade troligtvis varit bannad i Modern om den existerat där, och creatures i Modern är så jäääääävla mycket starkare än i 93/94. <br />Problemet med kort som Plogen och Disenchant är att formatet står stilla, och testar man inte o ändra om i ban och restriction listan så kommer alltid folk splasha och maina båda. Artifakterna och Enchantmentsen som är bonkers brutna är restrictade i formatet så jag ser faktist inte det som ett argument. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2299444734264560627.post-66120679832876950042015-07-27T18:23:37.151+02:002015-07-27T18:23:37.151+02:00Man spelade som regel 4 Disenchant i lekarna förr ...Man spelade som regel 4 Disenchant i lekarna förr också, det fanns inte så många sätt att hantera pesky artefakter och pesky enchantments. <br /><br />Frågan är väl snarare om den har en negativ inverkan på formatet? Jag tror personligen att de artefakter och enchantments som finns hade blivit för starka om inte Disenchant varit ett sådant starkt kort.<br /><br />Att restricta disenchant är lite som att restricta plog i min mening.Christoffer Andersson-Fahlströmhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06906394058270677715noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2299444734264560627.post-53967965258461121842015-07-26T22:31:07.364+02:002015-07-26T22:31:07.364+02:00Kan ju tracka hur många lekar som spelar Dissencha...Kan ju tracka hur många lekar som spelar Dissenchant för o kolla, är det en klar majoritet så borde nog nått ske.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2299444734264560627.post-57738437823576118932015-07-26T22:28:31.160+02:002015-07-26T22:28:31.160+02:00Handlar mer om att den dyker upp i nästan alla lek...Handlar mer om att den dyker upp i nästan alla lekar eftersom det är ett av formatets absolut starkaste toolbox kort, det träffar något relevant i 99% av alla lekar och det gör kortet extremt splashbart. Jag stöter på kortet i nästan alla lekar jag möter. Det gör formatet lite tråkigt när det kommer till o bygga lekar, man kan nästan utesluta att bygga artifact eller enchantment decks, eftersom man vet att man kommer möta en Dissenchant i main av majoriteten av lekarna man möter. Kortet är redan effektivt i metan och utesluter en massa andra kort från o spelas. Dvs näsan alla artifacts och enchantments som kostar 2 eller mer. Tror formatet blivit lite roligare och man hade sett lite fler kort spelas. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2299444734264560627.post-680727730905982522015-07-26T20:55:24.291+02:002015-07-26T20:55:24.291+02:00Har du en längre rational för den åsikten så kan v...Har du en längre rational för den åsikten så kan vi lyfta det till nästa ban/restriction runda.Christoffer Andersson-Fahlströmhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06906394058270677715noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2299444734264560627.post-51301313988467837412015-07-26T17:25:49.132+02:002015-07-26T17:25:49.132+02:00Tycker helt ärligt ni borde se över om Dissenchant...Tycker helt ärligt ni borde se över om Dissenchant inte kanske är lite för bra i formatet. Hade personligen gärna sett en restriction på den för o låsa upp formatet lite.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2299444734264560627.post-5982125438808163842014-06-02T09:25:02.569+02:002014-06-02T09:25:02.569+02:00I can understand the unrestriction of Mana Vault. ...I can understand the unrestriction of Mana Vault. <br /><br />Unrestricting MWS on the other hand sounds dangerous, especially if Strip Mine would stay restricted. There is a synergy with the restrictions of awesome land cards, i.e LOA, Maze of Ith, MWS and Strip Mine.<br /><br />Mishra's Factory is also great but can be dealt with when it becomes a artifact creature.<br /><br />/axelssonAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2299444734264560627.post-45222022959447804842014-06-01T22:51:04.118+02:002014-06-01T22:51:04.118+02:00Great!
//666killer666-SchramGreat!<br /><br />//666killer666-SchramAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2299444734264560627.post-75245718416644579992014-05-28T10:50:19.522+02:002014-05-28T10:50:19.522+02:00I've been tinkering with a Workshop-deck with ...I've been tinkering with a Workshop-deck with a potential 4 MWS and while a fun and pretty okay deck it's far from the beast it is in Vintage since we lack all the awesome lock components. Triskelion, Juggernaut and Su-Chi sure are nice but not broken. I've played with the idea of black with The Abyss and Guardian Beast both whom is 3B which can't be cast with the acceleration from MWS. Artifact hate is abundant and if a MWS-deck would rise and dominate I think the meta would adapt and hate it back to an acceptable level. <br /><br />This was before the unrestriction of Mana Vault however and with 4 MWS and 4 Mana Vault I think this strategy would be too powerful.FreeSpacenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2299444734264560627.post-22673716256031944812014-05-27T14:32:24.446+02:002014-05-27T14:32:24.446+02:00Yes, Workshop was definitely a consideration (it&#...Yes, Workshop was definitely a consideration (it's one of the cards in pile in the first picture in the post). There are a couple of very strong worskhop decks, one which casts Su-Chi, Juggernaut (or even primal clay) turn 1, and uses either black or blue for Abyss and toolbox. It's very hard to beat with a normal creature deck, and races pretty much everthing other than berserk decks. Other random artifact decks can also be very strong with 2-4 workshops.<br /><br />One other thing that was taken into consideration, even if just a little, was actually the price. If Mana Vault turns out to be busted (unlikely) and has to be restricted again, players who bought a set will only be set back about $15 each (for unl, that is). If that same thing would happen to workshops, people would be set back $400 each. This makes us want to be more certain that the workshop is ok before we let it go, as it would be a stab in the back for any players that spend a year assembling a workshop deck only to have it be restricted again.Mghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00555613518338194305noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2299444734264560627.post-85170058628617246652014-05-27T03:52:33.262+02:002014-05-27T03:52:33.262+02:00Mishra's Workshop isn't a consideration? P...Mishra's Workshop isn't a consideration? Pretty sure the only 2 cards shops can abuse are Trike and Juggernaut, plus Energy Flux is a real sideboard card, along with Dust to Dust and Disenchant.<br />Glad to see Vault unrestricted; I tested it as a 2 of in a Project M style deck and it was fine; didn't feel busted.Michaelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11379746731891119814noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2299444734264560627.post-6326452643382002552014-05-27T00:03:54.730+02:002014-05-27T00:03:54.730+02:00Perfect!
/ÅlandPerfect!<br /><br />/ÅlandAnonymousnoreply@blogger.com